nancyfulda ([info]nancyfulda) wrote,
@ 2008-07-10 20:12:00
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Chickens and Eggs
I'm frequently told that I explain things to Alex too much; that a child his age needs firm, simple directions like "yes" and "no" and so forth. The underlying implication, of course, is that my tendency to explain is the root cause of Alex's resistance to authority figures.

The thing is: Alex doesn't accept simple "yes" and "no". He never has. He forms his own opinions about the world based on his perceptions and understanding. Short of bullying, the most effective way to get him to obey rules is to make sure he understands why they're there. In detail.

I won't claim that I didn't do something during his infancy to trigger this mindset. I wasn't really paying attention to that aspect of parenting back then, so I can't recall which of us adopted which behavior first. I would, however, like to issue the following caution to all well-meaning advice-givers:

The next time you see an atypical behavior coupled with an atypical parenting strategy, take time to ask yourself which direction the causality flows. Parenting is a two-way street. Children shape adults just as much as adults shape children.



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[info]raisinfish
2008-07-10 06:30 pm UTC (link)
Also, research shows that parents who explain the whys behind the rules get more obedience from their children, not less. This is especially true when the children become teenagers. So even if your habit IS causing problems now (which it probably isn't), it's probably going to save you a big headache in a few years.

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[info]sandratayler
2008-07-10 09:33 pm UTC (link)
As someone who has seen snippets of your parenting many times over the years, I think you are doing a marvelous job of answering your son's needs. You're answering his needs so well that other adults are unable to see how necessary your strategies are for both you and Alex. Alex is very analytical. He has a strong need to understand how the world works. This includes understanding all the reasons that you say no. Parenting is definitely a two way street. I had to significantly change my parenting style to manage Gleek.

As Alex gets older and more able to wait, you'll be able to give him the short "no" in public and the explanation later in private. He'll be willing to accept that public "no" because he'll have internalized that you really do have good reasons and he'll trust you to explain them later. In fact you can enlist Alex to help you by saying "when person-who-criticizes-my-parenting is around, I won't explain, but I promise to explain when she is gone." Additionally, as Alex's store of information about how the world works grows, he'll already know why you're saying "no" without you having to explain.

Hang in there. You're doing great.

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Somewhat sideways . . .
[info]mbarker
2008-07-11 07:41 am UTC (link)
There is something odd about the notion that asking a question is a challenge to authority. I certainly try my darndest to foster the attitude in the grad students I work with that it is perfectly okay to ask me questions or even challenge me -- in fact I'm frustrated when they do accept my word without question. I would even go so far as to say that the best authority knows very well how to explain itself -- and if it falls back on "because I said so" that is when we see the failure of authority, not the success.

Please don't try to make Alex accept direction without explanations. It's way harder to resurrect that questioning wonder in the world later in life when someone squashes it early on. We don't really need more squashed people who follow directions without questions. We do need more people who think. If that means a bit more explanation in the interim, well, we have the time now.

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Re: Somewhat sideways . . .
[info]nancyfulda
2008-07-11 04:01 pm UTC (link)
I certainly try my darndest to foster the attitude in the grad students I work with that it is perfectly okay to ask me questions or even challenge me -- in fact I'm frustrated when they do accept my word without question.

Heh. I remember having university professors with similar frustrations. One of the best quotes I picked up from a professor was: "As an undergrad, you learn to memorize the 'right answers'. As a masters student, you learn that there are no right answers. As a PhD student, you realize that even the questions are suspect."

The problem is, at the tender age of 4, resistance to authority involves more than just verbal challenging. It involves continuing to swing a hard object around in circles even though it's already hit your sister three times. It involves throwing toys over the fence into the street because "The toy's made of plastic. It won't break."

*headdesk*

I love Alex's independence, but sometimes I wish he'd stop first and then ask why. We're working on it. Slowly.

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[info]davebennett
2008-07-11 03:37 pm UTC (link)
"The next time you see an atypical behavior coupled with an atypical parenting strategy, take time to ask yourself which direction the causality flows. Parenting is a two-way street. Children shape adults just as much as adults shape children."
Amen!

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Questions -- a true story
(Anonymous)
2008-07-12 04:59 am UTC (link)
When my daughter was two, she asked, "Daddy, why is the sky blue?"

From my years of studying physics, I knew why the sky is blue, and I proceeded to explain about the elemental composition of the Earth's atmosphere and electron excitation by photon collision and subsequent quantum decay states.

I distinctly recall that when I finished my explanation I turned to find my two-year old daughter staring at me like she needed to keep me quiet until the white-coated men from the Happy Hills Sanitarium came to collect me.

She laid a hand on my knee and said, "That's okay, Daddy. I'll ask Mommy."

(She hates it when I tell this story now.)

Do the best you can, where you are, with what you got.

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Re: Questions -- a true story
[info]nancyfulda
2008-07-12 09:58 am UTC (link)
Ha! That's adorable.

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[info]aliettedb
2008-07-16 08:15 pm UTC (link)
He forms his own opinions about the world based on his perceptions and understanding. Short of bullying, the most effective way to get him to obey rules is to make sure he understands why they're there
I don't know much about parenting, but that doesn't really strike me as bad (my BF was raised that way, and he's certainly not turned out that bad :) )
It's better when they grow older and rules start having to make sense--he's just a bit precocious in that regard, no?

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